Yesterday, I watched the first “Left Behind” movie, and the opening scene is Buck Williams (played by Kirk Cameron) broadcasting from a wheat field in the Israeli desert, talking about the worst food shortage in history, the early stages of which could be happening now due to Russia/Ukraine and their wheat exports. Then the movie pivots to the AntiChrist-in-waiting, a Romanian named “Nicolae Carpathia”. I’m not suggesting the AntiChrist is from Russia or Eastern Europe, but it felt a little eerie given everything happening in the world now with the AntiChrist-like Putin.
As I have mentioned before, wheat is a picture of the Tribulation (just as wheat requires tribulation to separate the grain from the chaff). Compare this to barley, which can simply be waved to separate the grain from the chaff. Barley is waved on the Feast of Firstfruits, so it’s a picture of both Jesus’ resurrection on Firstfruits as well as of the Rapture of the Church. Also, in Hebrew, the numerical value of wheat (חִטָה) is 22, so maybe 2022 is our year for the Rapture :-)
Heavenly Father, your Son, Jesus, said “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.” (Matthew 18:19). Donna and I agree that 2022 would be a wonderful year for the Rapture, so please send the Bridegroom Jesus to get His Bride (us!), according to Your Word :-) In Jesus’ name, Amen!
Slamdunk do you mean the rapture? I strongly believe we will be raptured and gone before the antichrist is revealed. Definitely believe we'll be raptured before the tribulation starts and seals opened.☁️🎺🔜
Hi Kari, thanks for sharing your view on the rapture. From what I hear many pastors saying, Paul anticipated the rapture in his lifetime based on Rom. 13:11:
"Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we first believed."
Now if you check out 2 Thes. 2:1 and 2 Thes. 1:6-10, you will see that Paul anticipated being alive for both the rapture and second coming. But how can that be if seven years separate them? Obviously, they can't if Paul expected to be living for both. That's what these passages are saying.
Also, where Paul says, "concerning the coming of the Lord..." in 2 Thes. 2:1, he's obviously talking about the Lord's coming which he just spoke about in 2 Thes. 1:6-10 which is clearly the second coming. There is no reason to think that he switched from the second coming in those passages to a pretrib rapture in 2 Thes. 2:1.
Anyway, this is my understanding of these passages. Please check them out.
Slamdunk... I just read Billy Crone's book on the Rapture. It's super good! He's pre-tribulation and believes we will be raptured before the 7 year Wrath of God starts. He backs up everything with the Word, but really helps folks like us understand why believers won't be here. I want to encourage you (even if we have different thoughts about the rapture) to read Jimmy's new book Where are the Missing People? Jimmy really dives into the scripture and shares the truth to those left behind. Also, here's a great post from Jimmy explaining why there is a rapture-- https://endtimes.substack.com/p/three-scriptures-about-the-rapture?s=r Just in case anyone needs comfort today..... 💛
Thanks for the info and I'm very familiar with Billy Crone and his point of view. I have emailed him and others about the Thessalonian passages I shared with you and never got any responses. I sense that they are being ignored as irrelevant. All I can do ishare what I believe to be true. But I think that those holding to the pretrib view really need to take a close and prayerful look at them and not view them as irrelevant. Paul clearly anticipated being alive for both events which can only mean they happen about the same time. Did you look at these passages? If so, what do you come up with? I'm not trying to be argumentative or divisive, only dividing the word of truth as i understand it.
I don't take it as argumentative or divisive at all... I have read the scriptures you've listed. Sounds like Pastor Jimmy was post-trib for many years, but God changed his heart on what he believes now. Like Michelle said, Jimmy has addressed his belief in dozen & dozens of posts for the TP community....I don't believe it has been irrelevant, but studied in depth [here] to offer understanding & comfort. Tipping Point has studied all sides of this coin - Jimmy did a 6-part series on pre-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, premill, amill, postmill, futurist & preterist. My own heart concludes that we won't be here for the tribulation...not one second of it. We may experience WW3 (who knows in this crazy world) but as for the 7 year tribulation from everything I've read and studied, we are raptured and the bride will be at the wedding feast with her husband. Jimmy Evans tackles all the verses you've mentioned here - https://endtimes.substack.com/p/10-reasons-to-believe-in-a-pre-tribulation?s=r ...and here - https://endtimes.substack.com/p/10-reasons-to-believe-in-a-pre-tribulation-ce5?s=r God bless 💛
Praying for family and friends that are none believers. It is not God’s desire for any to be lost. I weep for those that do not know the love of Jesus. Today, I ask for prayer fir my Granddaughter Jacquelyn. Her life has been difficult and she doesn’t want to hear the gospel. Her heart is hard.
My son's spring break is coming up next week and he wanted to visit a big city. He loves building Lego block cityscapes. We are going to Washington DC. Might sound crazy, probably is a bit, but just pray for us. My husband has a degree in History, so it's right up his alley as well. I want to keep a bit of child like wonder in my life for the sake of my children who love exploring this magnificent world God created. I know every day there's new earth shattering news, but I still like to enjoy family time, especially through the eyes of my 9 year old son. Pray for our protection and also to help us be a beacon of hope to anyone lost we may encounter. Thank you, that is all.
You may very well see the Freedom Convoy! Lots of Children in the group. Very large loving Patriotic group. He’d remember seeing that for the rest of his life.
What a great article and Pastor Greg is always so relatable with his content. It sure has been interesting to see in the past couple years the types of forebears of the tribulation we are seeing during these birthpains. Covid would be the first picture of pestilences (plural). Also coupled with a mark/digital tracking that could be used for buying/selling and any kind of function in society. Combined with digital money. Now we see Russia in Ukraine, China eyeing Taiwan, etc as pictures of the riders of the first white horse of conquest. Worldwide food shortages, inflation and stagflation are being talked about this year as a picture and forbearer of the black horse. The red horse and peace going from the earth and people killing each other seems to be a forebear slowly creeping in during the last 50 years. And the millions and millions killed by abortion. The pale green (chloros) horse follows all of these. We see a spirit of lawlessness at work with some of the more recent law changes that allow certain amounts of outright theft or drug use. I would agree that the end versions of these are extreme events of what we are seeing now. When reading some of these passages, it feels like Paul was peeking past the pages of time to speak directly to us here, now. It feels very direct and personal. I couldn’t imagine the digital and connected world of today from the time I was young, it’s been a paradigm shift in less than 50 years. It’s all happening so fast. Everything is visible on the horizon now. So glad for the rapture for those who love Him. Hard to fathom being part of a generation that doesn’t die, providing I don’t kick the bucket unexpectedly before that, ha ha. I would like to experience this living transformation. Gods blessings to everybody as we start off another work week.
We must be in prayer for Maryland’s Senate Bill 669, in which a hearing is scheduled for tomorrow, 3/15. If made law, a newborn could be allowed to die for seven days and possibly up to 28 days through neglect. Quoting ACLJ attorney Olivia Summers, “a baby born alive and well could be abandoned and left to starve or freeze to death, and nothing could be done to punish those who participated in that cruel death.”
Dear Lord God, forgive us for our disregard for the sanctity of human life. We pray for the unborn as well as newborns, neither of which may be protected from being killed. We pray that this senate bill will not pass. Amen
❤️ Maryland already has the Safe Haven Law in place which allows for leaving an up-to 9 or 10 day old baby at a hospital or law enforcement facility, no questions asked.
My first thoughts on the bill number! Thanks, Maggie, Tabitha, and Justin for your prayers. I will update as I learn more. Praying that the state senate is inundated with calls in support of life!
The hearing, scheduled for today, for the Pregnant Person’s Protection Act/HBO626 (Maryland) was cancelled. But the bill has not been withdrawn. According to Intercessors for America this generally means that the sponsors will finesse the wording or hold it until a more opportune time. Evil delayed.
Hello from Australia .. I am fairly new to the Bible and must admit it is a real struggle trying to understand it. I just wish that I had grown up learning the stories - it sure would have saved a lot of frustration and confusion, lol. The pre-Trib Rapture is a common belief but in 2 Thessalonians 5:9 where is says " But God has not destined us for wrath ...." could that possibly mean that, rather than being Raptured and meeting Jesus in the clouds, instead we go through the Tribulation but we go through it unharmed ie we are saved from the worst of the Tribulation? I would greatly appreciate some understanding on this.
Welcome to the family Irene 😊. Being new, it’s probably hard to see the context of the Bible and the many places it talks about all of this. For many years, I was a post-trib person until I was able to get a look at the bigger picture of the tribulation. And the examples of this that have already happened. So the tribulation is referred to as the time of the wrath of God. The Bible specifically says we (the church) are not appointed to wrath. The most specific and clear passage about this is the promise to the church of Philadelphia (in Revelation) to keep them from this hour of trial. The wrath of God is not often shown in the Bible because of His patient and forgiving nature. But He is just also. Noah and the flood are an early example of this principle, of being removed from Gods judgment. Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah are another where the angel had to lead them out by the hand before they could execute judgment. Enoch is probably the first and clearest example of a rapture. Elijah being carried to heaven alive. There are many other examples when you get listening to some good teaching/teachers on this, both Old Testament and New Testament. 2 Thessalonians says that the man of sin (antichrist) won’t be revealed until the Holy Spirit is removed (and the church with Him by default, as He is in us). My single favorite teacher in eschatology (study of end times) was Chuck Missler. I spent years and years reading Revelation, Daniel and these other books that deal with these things because now is the ti e all of this is happening. I also listened to Chuck Missler (and some other good teachers like what we are getting here) for years, when I had to work late at night just to make ends meet during the last hard times. He has a large amount on YouTube videos and is rock solid as a teacher. One of the helpful things he does is to talk about the different viewpoints, what they are and where he stands, so you know the other ideas out there. Like pre-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, pre-millenial, etc. The other thing you will want to do is consume as much of the Bible as you can regularly. It is the singular standard to measure everything against. God will use His Holy Spirit to guide you as you seek Him and seek to live right. God bless 😊🙏
Thank You Justin, I love being part of the TP family and being able to talk things over. I will definitely look for YT videos on Chuck Missler. Even though I struggle to understand what the Bible is saying, I still find it absolutely fascinating ... When I read where you mentioned about Elijah being carried to heaven alive, my heart lit up and it just about brought me to tears. And I agree wholeheartedly about being guided by God .. I have been asking God for guidance and understanding and today He guided me to a website that had a great visual of "a Bible library" with all the books sorted and labelled into groups, which made it so much easier to grasp the overall contents. Thanks again for helping me gain a better understanding. Looking forward to chatting again. God Bless. Smiley face and prayer symbol - haven't worked out how to access smiley faces etc yet, LoL :-)
Thanks for the smiley face and prayer symbol ha ha. This will be a great journey for you and you are among many friends and family here. You will enjoy Chuck Missler. He had a background in military intelligence and science and the content is remarkable. There are many other good ones as well and we have a nice group of hosts here. Lastly, there are a number of false teachers/bad teachers through history and into the time of deception we are entering. It is always good to pay extra close attention to the Holy Spirit as He guides you. It is a good idea when you hear something new or perhaps contradictory to completely search out the matter with reliable sources. The Bible is the ultimate standard. Everything gets measured against it. Sometimes not everything is completely clear or things get mixed around so these are where questions will come up. I am so happy to hear about your experience reading about Elijah. There are times something will touch my spirit and bring me to tears as well. God bless you today :)
Irene, have you heard about the Bible Project app? It's made for adults, but helps bring scripture alive in an easy to understand visual way. My family uses this all the time.... it brings scripture alive. Link- https://bibleproject.com/ For example here's a video on the Covenants- https://bibleproject.com/bible-studies/covenants/ Also, have you watched The Chosen series? This will be another way for you to watch Bible stories and characters to see scripture in a whole new way. It's a powerful tool to fall in love with the Bible. Link - https://watch.angelstudios.com/thechosen
I have never heard of that app.....will have to check it out! The Chosen is a great suggestion. That show is special. If you know the back story of how Jonathan Roomie "started his career as Jesus", it was almost like he was hand picked by Jesus himself to play that role :). Following the show on social media hearing of the problems they have endured.......and the provision God has provided to allow them to film.......it is almost like Jesus is wanting people to see not only his divinity, but also his humanity to help people be able to identify with him. Only Jesus and the 11 disciples in heaven know what really happened when they were together, but I can't help but to think the cast and crew of The Chosen are being divinely guided to show Jesus as the whole.......both divine and human.
Hi Donna, I suggest getting the Bible Project app. This is for all of us that need a visual tool and definitely believers that are new in their faith and want to soak up as many stories in a short period of time. Anyway… big fan and The Chosen! Thanks for sharing more behind the scenes. Of course there will always be naysayers of the show, but brining to LIFE the scripture and life of Jesus for the lost (us too) is divinely guided. Thx u💛🥰
It is my understanding of the Bible, that the first 31/2 years of the trib are for the mark of the beast, the second 31/2 years is the wrath of God being poured out upon those who have taken the mark. The second 31/2 years being called the great tribulation.
Good morning. I’m not sure on the first part there or exactly when all the judgments happen during the 7 years. I do agree the great tribulation is the last half of the 7 year covenant the antichrist affirms with many. I think it is pretty common to overlap them and things start getting progressively worse from the birthpains on. Not sure how much respite there is during the first 3.5 years under the false peace of the ac. Thanks for the notes.
Good question, Irene! My guess is that most people here would say that the Tribulation is used by God to bring unbelievers to salvation by accepting Jesus’ free gift of eternal life through His death on the Cross (through 21 judgments). So what would be the purpose believers being there? Jesus has already taken God’s Wrath for them, so that would be blasphemous to me for believers to go through the 70th Week.
If the purpose would be to evangelize, you might have a case, but the Bible doesn’t state that. The Church is not mentioned in Revelation chapter 6-18 (which cover the 7 years of the Tribulation). It does mention Israel and 144,000 Jewish evangelists, so it appears to be a picture of Israel fulfilling its Calling to preach Christ Crucified to the world. There also will be people who come to Christ (Tribulation Saints), who will presumably evangelize and be martyred for Christ.
That makes a lot of sense Jeremy. Thank You! .... So, for those who choose NOT to repent and accept God into their hearts/life will not be raptured but they will have another chance during the Tribulation?? ... but it will cost them their lives (as Steve Morgan's comment below says ie they will be decapitated?) Also, I need to find and read up on the part where you mention the 144,000 Jewish evangelists, as I don't recall reading that before. If I have, I have forgotten :-/ Thanks again, hope to chat again!
Jimmy shares...."Messianic Jews do recognize Jesus, blending their practice of Judaism with Christian belief in salvation through Christ. In fact, Revelation 14 says God uses 144,000 Jews, who align themselves on Mount Zion with the Lamb, to preach the gospel to the world."
Sorry, can't quote the verse, but somewhere it says that power (or authority) was given to the anitchrist to overcome the saints (newly converted Christians, as we won't be here), and many will be decapitated for their beliefs. Christians will not be unharmed during the Tribulation.
We love our Tipping Point Aussies!🇦🇺 Welcome💛 I agree with Hello that reading in a version that’s easy to understand is so important. Do you have the Bible app? If so, download the NLT, MSG, NIV & ESV. Sometimes I read a verse in several versions for more understanding. The biggest help for me was getting an OT & NT commentary.. you can look up any Bible verse and it will explain exactly what you’re reading. I LOVE the Wiersbe Bible Commentary—Warren W Wiersbe. You can get this set on Amazon. Hope that helps 💛
Hey there Kari, Thank You!! ... are you an Aussie too?? The Bible app on my tablet is KJV but it does give an explanation. Quite often though, I am super surprised to read the interpretation as it can be totally left-field to the picture/explanation that had formed in my head. Sometimes I drive myself crazy re-reading and re-reading a chapter/verse. I guess it will take time. But I just want to devour it all up and learn as much as I can (trying to make up for lost time I expect!!) My age/memory lets me down hugely .. too many brain cells going to sleep, lol, so it can be really frustrating. That's what I love about this group; having people around you that are happy and willing to share their thoughts and knowledge. Thanks again Kari, God Bless (smiley face and prayer hands) Chat soon I hope x
Hi Irene, no I'm not an Aussie, but love y'all!!! I'm a Texan 🤠 ... it was always on my bucket list to visit Australia. We do have an Australian Labradoodle! lol OK so on your Bible app you can click on whatever "version/translation" you want to read a verse of scripture. If you can explore on your tablet, you should be able to "download" and save other versions like the ones I recommended. You should definitely get the commentary... helps me so much! But, anytime you have a question about a verse, just post here and we'll all jump in there for you. Love you sister 💛
Irene it is hard to understand! I have had a lot of help understanding all of this by listening to Kim Clement and his wife and daughter. Kimclemet.org you can find House of Destiny on YouTube or Kim Clement on YouTube, also have a app (House of Destiny) and if you have Roku there is a app there as well. His wife is very educated on the End Times and is so helpful in my understanding. I also watch ThriveTime with Clay Clark to help tie together what is happening now with Prophecy and Revelations. It has been very eye opening for me. I didn’t retain the stories I heard as a young child, and sadly as a teen didn’t listen when I did hear. Bible app helps too when ya need to look up a quick story or search by word etc. I hope this helps you. Much love to you sister from TEXAS
Amen Brother and never more so than to awake as now. God bless every one of you this day and especially in the days to come. I don't know about tomorrow, but I know what Jesus said, and I know what lies ahead..... I know Who Holds tomorrow!
One day Hala there will be no more yesterday, today or tomorrow! JUST GOD'S GLORIOUS OUT OF THIS WORLD HEAVRNLY ETERNITY!! Hard to wrap my mind around that! GOD BLESS YOU HALA!
My Dear Delores….I understand. I petitioned our Blessed Lord for His help for your family! We are so blessed to have Him to go to and cast ALL our cares on Him! What a Friend we have in Jesus ❣️❣️❣️
Thank you Pastor Greg. I have always believed that God makes His people in lonely places of great trial. Your life before Christ attests to that truth. His fingerprints are all over you. I encountered you early in my born again life cutting my spiritual teeth as it were on the true Jesus that you preached.
Revelation 19 tells us
THERE IS ANOTHER WHITE HORSE RESERVED FOR THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS:
"I (John) saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice, He judges and wages war."
This verse refers to Jesus bringing judgment against evil in the world after He returns to Earth." Continuing in verses 12 through 16:
"His eyes are like blazing fire, and on His head are many crowns. He has a name written on Him that no one knows but He Himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following Him riding on white horses[...] On His robe and on His thigh He has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."
Unlike earthly fairytales, the WORD OF GOD TELLS US WE WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER!
Just saw on Fox News that Iran is trying to get a nuke deal. It says 49 of 50 GOP senators are against it. What exactly does that mean? If there’s no agreement with GOP, does that mean it doesn’t happen? If they don’t get the deal, does that mean the prediction of them trying to bomb Israel isn’t going to happen? It’s absolutely amazing to see things we talk about in this group happening
I've been thinking about the rapture all day long... just soaking up this article and all the things we're learning here on TP and in the Word. Believers will escape ALL these things...we'll be raptured. God will never allow us to experience his wrath on earth for the 7years of tribulation. Thank you for the verses that comfort our hearts as we watch the world falling apart, knowing God's perfect plan is falling together. I keep thinking about what Jesus is going to find us doing when He returns? Today, I was reminded to get back to my first love. Keep looking up....A sweet friend just sent me this new album LION (Elevation) and there's a song called Bye Bye Babylon (perfect for us TP'ers) Pack your bags, we're going home ☁️🎺🔜 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhkJYehMRZE and.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2go_dOJVwc4
First love 💛…. Speaking directly to us about the first time you fell in love with Jesus. Remember how we acted & behaved… madly in love and wanted Him constantly in our presence. We are living in the end days—what do you want Jesus to find you doing? Get back to our first love💛💛💛 Hope that makes sense.
Awesome read! Thank you. I do have a question re: Revelation 6 and the 1st horseman. He is given a crown and a bow. Translated crown means CORONA and BOW meaning POISONOUS DART. Not to overthink this or believe it to be something it isn’t perhaps. But we do know the Covid Vax is poison with the intent to not only alter our God Given YHWH DNA with the RNA LUCIFERAS, but is certainly capable of potentially life long debilitating side effects and/or death at the time of Vax or some years along. Could this be the 1st Horseman?
Good morning. Personally, I don’t think so. My understanding is that the four horseman are for the time of the tribulation. Which the church isn’t here for that. But I do think that covid is a forbear, the first (and probably least) of pestilences to come. The vax is definitely a forbear of the mark to come. We’ve seen the pressure exerted to assimilate with this, which will certainly be more extreme in the future. I’ve heard what you mentioned about the vax being talked about but haven’t had the time to confirm any of it myself or verify reliable sources with what is actually the case. If what you are saying is true, it would look like a kind of version of the stuff from Genesis 6 and the days of Noah. And I personally believe it has bad intentions, I just don’t know all the specifics. And I respect the difference in opinion for those who wish to get it. Just my personal opinion, trying to keep up, in a rough sea of things happening rapidly. The white horse is depicted as a conquest theme. Probably more of what we are seeing in Ukraine right now. You certainly brought up some interesting points to think about though, thanks for sharing.
Hi Tabitha, I agree with Justin’s thoughts on this, while respecting (and agreeing with) your assessment of the “jab.” It is definitely a forerunner of things to come during the tribulation, namely the mark of the beast.
Great article, Greg!
Yesterday, I watched the first “Left Behind” movie, and the opening scene is Buck Williams (played by Kirk Cameron) broadcasting from a wheat field in the Israeli desert, talking about the worst food shortage in history, the early stages of which could be happening now due to Russia/Ukraine and their wheat exports. Then the movie pivots to the AntiChrist-in-waiting, a Romanian named “Nicolae Carpathia”. I’m not suggesting the AntiChrist is from Russia or Eastern Europe, but it felt a little eerie given everything happening in the world now with the AntiChrist-like Putin.
As I have mentioned before, wheat is a picture of the Tribulation (just as wheat requires tribulation to separate the grain from the chaff). Compare this to barley, which can simply be waved to separate the grain from the chaff. Barley is waved on the Feast of Firstfruits, so it’s a picture of both Jesus’ resurrection on Firstfruits as well as of the Rapture of the Church. Also, in Hebrew, the numerical value of wheat (חִטָה) is 22, so maybe 2022 is our year for the Rapture :-)
Very interesting take.......from your mouth to God's ear.......2022 for the Rapture.....sounds good to me!!!
Heavenly Father, your Son, Jesus, said “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.” (Matthew 18:19). Donna and I agree that 2022 would be a wonderful year for the Rapture, so please send the Bridegroom Jesus to get His Bride (us!), according to Your Word :-) In Jesus’ name, Amen!
Amen, Jeremy! I'm stealing your and Donna's prayer for the Rapture!!
OK by me, thank you!
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AMEN!
I love that first Left Behind movie. It never gets old…. 🌻
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen the number 22 lately!!! It is constant. I think God is trying to get my attention!
Greetings JS,
Doesn't the apostasy and revealing of the AC have to happen first? (2 Thes. 2:3)
Slamdunk do you mean the rapture? I strongly believe we will be raptured and gone before the antichrist is revealed. Definitely believe we'll be raptured before the tribulation starts and seals opened.☁️🎺🔜
Hi Kari, thanks for sharing your view on the rapture. From what I hear many pastors saying, Paul anticipated the rapture in his lifetime based on Rom. 13:11:
"Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we first believed."
Now if you check out 2 Thes. 2:1 and 2 Thes. 1:6-10, you will see that Paul anticipated being alive for both the rapture and second coming. But how can that be if seven years separate them? Obviously, they can't if Paul expected to be living for both. That's what these passages are saying.
Also, where Paul says, "concerning the coming of the Lord..." in 2 Thes. 2:1, he's obviously talking about the Lord's coming which he just spoke about in 2 Thes. 1:6-10 which is clearly the second coming. There is no reason to think that he switched from the second coming in those passages to a pretrib rapture in 2 Thes. 2:1.
Anyway, this is my understanding of these passages. Please check them out.
Lord bless
Slamdunk... I just read Billy Crone's book on the Rapture. It's super good! He's pre-tribulation and believes we will be raptured before the 7 year Wrath of God starts. He backs up everything with the Word, but really helps folks like us understand why believers won't be here. I want to encourage you (even if we have different thoughts about the rapture) to read Jimmy's new book Where are the Missing People? Jimmy really dives into the scripture and shares the truth to those left behind. Also, here's a great post from Jimmy explaining why there is a rapture-- https://endtimes.substack.com/p/three-scriptures-about-the-rapture?s=r Just in case anyone needs comfort today..... 💛
Hi Kari,
Thanks for the info and I'm very familiar with Billy Crone and his point of view. I have emailed him and others about the Thessalonian passages I shared with you and never got any responses. I sense that they are being ignored as irrelevant. All I can do ishare what I believe to be true. But I think that those holding to the pretrib view really need to take a close and prayerful look at them and not view them as irrelevant. Paul clearly anticipated being alive for both events which can only mean they happen about the same time. Did you look at these passages? If so, what do you come up with? I'm not trying to be argumentative or divisive, only dividing the word of truth as i understand it.
God bless
I don't take it as argumentative or divisive at all... I have read the scriptures you've listed. Sounds like Pastor Jimmy was post-trib for many years, but God changed his heart on what he believes now. Like Michelle said, Jimmy has addressed his belief in dozen & dozens of posts for the TP community....I don't believe it has been irrelevant, but studied in depth [here] to offer understanding & comfort. Tipping Point has studied all sides of this coin - Jimmy did a 6-part series on pre-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, premill, amill, postmill, futurist & preterist. My own heart concludes that we won't be here for the tribulation...not one second of it. We may experience WW3 (who knows in this crazy world) but as for the 7 year tribulation from everything I've read and studied, we are raptured and the bride will be at the wedding feast with her husband. Jimmy Evans tackles all the verses you've mentioned here - https://endtimes.substack.com/p/10-reasons-to-believe-in-a-pre-tribulation?s=r ...and here - https://endtimes.substack.com/p/10-reasons-to-believe-in-a-pre-tribulation-ce5?s=r God bless 💛
Thanks Michelle. I would be happy to speak with Pastor Evans on private email:
slamdunk699@yahoo.com
Hello from Canada! Amen! Come, Lord Jesus. This world is not my home. And I thank the good Lord that it’s not. Eagerly waiting to go home.
Praying for family and friends that are none believers. It is not God’s desire for any to be lost. I weep for those that do not know the love of Jesus. Today, I ask for prayer fir my Granddaughter Jacquelyn. Her life has been difficult and she doesn’t want to hear the gospel. Her heart is hard.
Praying for Jacquelyn right now Shirley.
I’m standing with you in prayer for Jacquelyn❣️❣️❣️
Many of us have loved ones who feel as Jacquelyn does. Praying for her!
Praying for her. God is love. I pray He touches her
My son's spring break is coming up next week and he wanted to visit a big city. He loves building Lego block cityscapes. We are going to Washington DC. Might sound crazy, probably is a bit, but just pray for us. My husband has a degree in History, so it's right up his alley as well. I want to keep a bit of child like wonder in my life for the sake of my children who love exploring this magnificent world God created. I know every day there's new earth shattering news, but I still like to enjoy family time, especially through the eyes of my 9 year old son. Pray for our protection and also to help us be a beacon of hope to anyone lost we may encounter. Thank you, that is all.
You may very well see the Freedom Convoy! Lots of Children in the group. Very large loving Patriotic group. He’d remember seeing that for the rest of his life.
Done Edge!
Done❣️❣️❣️
Amen!!!! Have a blast in DC… praying for your fam 💛
FYI There is a Legoland in Winter Haven, FL which is 45 minutes from Orlando.
What a great article and Pastor Greg is always so relatable with his content. It sure has been interesting to see in the past couple years the types of forebears of the tribulation we are seeing during these birthpains. Covid would be the first picture of pestilences (plural). Also coupled with a mark/digital tracking that could be used for buying/selling and any kind of function in society. Combined with digital money. Now we see Russia in Ukraine, China eyeing Taiwan, etc as pictures of the riders of the first white horse of conquest. Worldwide food shortages, inflation and stagflation are being talked about this year as a picture and forbearer of the black horse. The red horse and peace going from the earth and people killing each other seems to be a forebear slowly creeping in during the last 50 years. And the millions and millions killed by abortion. The pale green (chloros) horse follows all of these. We see a spirit of lawlessness at work with some of the more recent law changes that allow certain amounts of outright theft or drug use. I would agree that the end versions of these are extreme events of what we are seeing now. When reading some of these passages, it feels like Paul was peeking past the pages of time to speak directly to us here, now. It feels very direct and personal. I couldn’t imagine the digital and connected world of today from the time I was young, it’s been a paradigm shift in less than 50 years. It’s all happening so fast. Everything is visible on the horizon now. So glad for the rapture for those who love Him. Hard to fathom being part of a generation that doesn’t die, providing I don’t kick the bucket unexpectedly before that, ha ha. I would like to experience this living transformation. Gods blessings to everybody as we start off another work week.
We must be in prayer for Maryland’s Senate Bill 669, in which a hearing is scheduled for tomorrow, 3/15. If made law, a newborn could be allowed to die for seven days and possibly up to 28 days through neglect. Quoting ACLJ attorney Olivia Summers, “a baby born alive and well could be abandoned and left to starve or freeze to death, and nothing could be done to punish those who participated in that cruel death.”
Dear Lord God, forgive us for our disregard for the sanctity of human life. We pray for the unborn as well as newborns, neither of which may be protected from being killed. We pray that this senate bill will not pass. Amen
Just bring them to me😢 I’ll take each and every one of them!
❤️ Maryland already has the Safe Haven Law in place which allows for leaving an up-to 9 or 10 day old baby at a hospital or law enforcement facility, no questions asked.
Oh my! That is horrific. Only Satan himself could even master such a plan. How much more evil can this world get?
Stuff these days is unconscionable :(
Unbelievably sad.
My first thoughts on the bill number! Thanks, Maggie, Tabitha, and Justin for your prayers. I will update as I learn more. Praying that the state senate is inundated with calls in support of life!
They have a 666 bill also
The hearing, scheduled for today, for the Pregnant Person’s Protection Act/HBO626 (Maryland) was cancelled. But the bill has not been withdrawn. According to Intercessors for America this generally means that the sponsors will finesse the wording or hold it until a more opportune time. Evil delayed.
Hello from Australia .. I am fairly new to the Bible and must admit it is a real struggle trying to understand it. I just wish that I had grown up learning the stories - it sure would have saved a lot of frustration and confusion, lol. The pre-Trib Rapture is a common belief but in 2 Thessalonians 5:9 where is says " But God has not destined us for wrath ...." could that possibly mean that, rather than being Raptured and meeting Jesus in the clouds, instead we go through the Tribulation but we go through it unharmed ie we are saved from the worst of the Tribulation? I would greatly appreciate some understanding on this.
Welcome to the family Irene 😊. Being new, it’s probably hard to see the context of the Bible and the many places it talks about all of this. For many years, I was a post-trib person until I was able to get a look at the bigger picture of the tribulation. And the examples of this that have already happened. So the tribulation is referred to as the time of the wrath of God. The Bible specifically says we (the church) are not appointed to wrath. The most specific and clear passage about this is the promise to the church of Philadelphia (in Revelation) to keep them from this hour of trial. The wrath of God is not often shown in the Bible because of His patient and forgiving nature. But He is just also. Noah and the flood are an early example of this principle, of being removed from Gods judgment. Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah are another where the angel had to lead them out by the hand before they could execute judgment. Enoch is probably the first and clearest example of a rapture. Elijah being carried to heaven alive. There are many other examples when you get listening to some good teaching/teachers on this, both Old Testament and New Testament. 2 Thessalonians says that the man of sin (antichrist) won’t be revealed until the Holy Spirit is removed (and the church with Him by default, as He is in us). My single favorite teacher in eschatology (study of end times) was Chuck Missler. I spent years and years reading Revelation, Daniel and these other books that deal with these things because now is the ti e all of this is happening. I also listened to Chuck Missler (and some other good teachers like what we are getting here) for years, when I had to work late at night just to make ends meet during the last hard times. He has a large amount on YouTube videos and is rock solid as a teacher. One of the helpful things he does is to talk about the different viewpoints, what they are and where he stands, so you know the other ideas out there. Like pre-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, pre-millenial, etc. The other thing you will want to do is consume as much of the Bible as you can regularly. It is the singular standard to measure everything against. God will use His Holy Spirit to guide you as you seek Him and seek to live right. God bless 😊🙏
Thank You Justin, I love being part of the TP family and being able to talk things over. I will definitely look for YT videos on Chuck Missler. Even though I struggle to understand what the Bible is saying, I still find it absolutely fascinating ... When I read where you mentioned about Elijah being carried to heaven alive, my heart lit up and it just about brought me to tears. And I agree wholeheartedly about being guided by God .. I have been asking God for guidance and understanding and today He guided me to a website that had a great visual of "a Bible library" with all the books sorted and labelled into groups, which made it so much easier to grasp the overall contents. Thanks again for helping me gain a better understanding. Looking forward to chatting again. God Bless. Smiley face and prayer symbol - haven't worked out how to access smiley faces etc yet, LoL :-)
Thanks for the smiley face and prayer symbol ha ha. This will be a great journey for you and you are among many friends and family here. You will enjoy Chuck Missler. He had a background in military intelligence and science and the content is remarkable. There are many other good ones as well and we have a nice group of hosts here. Lastly, there are a number of false teachers/bad teachers through history and into the time of deception we are entering. It is always good to pay extra close attention to the Holy Spirit as He guides you. It is a good idea when you hear something new or perhaps contradictory to completely search out the matter with reliable sources. The Bible is the ultimate standard. Everything gets measured against it. Sometimes not everything is completely clear or things get mixed around so these are where questions will come up. I am so happy to hear about your experience reading about Elijah. There are times something will touch my spirit and bring me to tears as well. God bless you today :)
Irene, have you heard about the Bible Project app? It's made for adults, but helps bring scripture alive in an easy to understand visual way. My family uses this all the time.... it brings scripture alive. Link- https://bibleproject.com/ For example here's a video on the Covenants- https://bibleproject.com/bible-studies/covenants/ Also, have you watched The Chosen series? This will be another way for you to watch Bible stories and characters to see scripture in a whole new way. It's a powerful tool to fall in love with the Bible. Link - https://watch.angelstudios.com/thechosen
I have never heard of that app.....will have to check it out! The Chosen is a great suggestion. That show is special. If you know the back story of how Jonathan Roomie "started his career as Jesus", it was almost like he was hand picked by Jesus himself to play that role :). Following the show on social media hearing of the problems they have endured.......and the provision God has provided to allow them to film.......it is almost like Jesus is wanting people to see not only his divinity, but also his humanity to help people be able to identify with him. Only Jesus and the 11 disciples in heaven know what really happened when they were together, but I can't help but to think the cast and crew of The Chosen are being divinely guided to show Jesus as the whole.......both divine and human.
Hi Donna, I suggest getting the Bible Project app. This is for all of us that need a visual tool and definitely believers that are new in their faith and want to soak up as many stories in a short period of time. Anyway… big fan and The Chosen! Thanks for sharing more behind the scenes. Of course there will always be naysayers of the show, but brining to LIFE the scripture and life of Jesus for the lost (us too) is divinely guided. Thx u💛🥰
It is my understanding of the Bible, that the first 31/2 years of the trib are for the mark of the beast, the second 31/2 years is the wrath of God being poured out upon those who have taken the mark. The second 31/2 years being called the great tribulation.
Good morning. I’m not sure on the first part there or exactly when all the judgments happen during the 7 years. I do agree the great tribulation is the last half of the 7 year covenant the antichrist affirms with many. I think it is pretty common to overlap them and things start getting progressively worse from the birthpains on. Not sure how much respite there is during the first 3.5 years under the false peace of the ac. Thanks for the notes.
Good question, Irene! My guess is that most people here would say that the Tribulation is used by God to bring unbelievers to salvation by accepting Jesus’ free gift of eternal life through His death on the Cross (through 21 judgments). So what would be the purpose believers being there? Jesus has already taken God’s Wrath for them, so that would be blasphemous to me for believers to go through the 70th Week.
If the purpose would be to evangelize, you might have a case, but the Bible doesn’t state that. The Church is not mentioned in Revelation chapter 6-18 (which cover the 7 years of the Tribulation). It does mention Israel and 144,000 Jewish evangelists, so it appears to be a picture of Israel fulfilling its Calling to preach Christ Crucified to the world. There also will be people who come to Christ (Tribulation Saints), who will presumably evangelize and be martyred for Christ.
That makes a lot of sense Jeremy. Thank You! .... So, for those who choose NOT to repent and accept God into their hearts/life will not be raptured but they will have another chance during the Tribulation?? ... but it will cost them their lives (as Steve Morgan's comment below says ie they will be decapitated?) Also, I need to find and read up on the part where you mention the 144,000 Jewish evangelists, as I don't recall reading that before. If I have, I have forgotten :-/ Thanks again, hope to chat again!
Jimmy shares...."Messianic Jews do recognize Jesus, blending their practice of Judaism with Christian belief in salvation through Christ. In fact, Revelation 14 says God uses 144,000 Jews, who align themselves on Mount Zion with the Lamb, to preach the gospel to the world."
Sorry, can't quote the verse, but somewhere it says that power (or authority) was given to the anitchrist to overcome the saints (newly converted Christians, as we won't be here), and many will be decapitated for their beliefs. Christians will not be unharmed during the Tribulation.
Thanks Steve.
Hi Irene
Maybe you have it already but I like the NLT translation of the bible.
There is also the NLT life application study Bible which is amazing.
Hmmm, will have to check those out. Thank You
the NLT life application study Bible has bios on main people / maps/ summaries / charts / explanations -its awesome
I have a large print soft cover.
I only saw today they have a kindle version too which I think I will get. 🙂
We love our Tipping Point Aussies!🇦🇺 Welcome💛 I agree with Hello that reading in a version that’s easy to understand is so important. Do you have the Bible app? If so, download the NLT, MSG, NIV & ESV. Sometimes I read a verse in several versions for more understanding. The biggest help for me was getting an OT & NT commentary.. you can look up any Bible verse and it will explain exactly what you’re reading. I LOVE the Wiersbe Bible Commentary—Warren W Wiersbe. You can get this set on Amazon. Hope that helps 💛
Great ideas and resources to take a really close look at the context and meanings :)
Hey there Kari, Thank You!! ... are you an Aussie too?? The Bible app on my tablet is KJV but it does give an explanation. Quite often though, I am super surprised to read the interpretation as it can be totally left-field to the picture/explanation that had formed in my head. Sometimes I drive myself crazy re-reading and re-reading a chapter/verse. I guess it will take time. But I just want to devour it all up and learn as much as I can (trying to make up for lost time I expect!!) My age/memory lets me down hugely .. too many brain cells going to sleep, lol, so it can be really frustrating. That's what I love about this group; having people around you that are happy and willing to share their thoughts and knowledge. Thanks again Kari, God Bless (smiley face and prayer hands) Chat soon I hope x
Hi Irene, no I'm not an Aussie, but love y'all!!! I'm a Texan 🤠 ... it was always on my bucket list to visit Australia. We do have an Australian Labradoodle! lol OK so on your Bible app you can click on whatever "version/translation" you want to read a verse of scripture. If you can explore on your tablet, you should be able to "download" and save other versions like the ones I recommended. You should definitely get the commentary... helps me so much! But, anytime you have a question about a verse, just post here and we'll all jump in there for you. Love you sister 💛
You are gorgeous Kari. You have a beautiful heart. Thank You xx
Irene it is hard to understand! I have had a lot of help understanding all of this by listening to Kim Clement and his wife and daughter. Kimclemet.org you can find House of Destiny on YouTube or Kim Clement on YouTube, also have a app (House of Destiny) and if you have Roku there is a app there as well. His wife is very educated on the End Times and is so helpful in my understanding. I also watch ThriveTime with Clay Clark to help tie together what is happening now with Prophecy and Revelations. It has been very eye opening for me. I didn’t retain the stories I heard as a young child, and sadly as a teen didn’t listen when I did hear. Bible app helps too when ya need to look up a quick story or search by word etc. I hope this helps you. Much love to you sister from TEXAS
Thanks bunches Tabatha, I will look those up. GodBless sister xxxx
Come Lord Jesus!
Great article! FYI it’s 1 Thessalonians 5. 2 Thessalonians only has 3 chapters 🙃
🎯 amen
Amen Brother and never more so than to awake as now. God bless every one of you this day and especially in the days to come. I don't know about tomorrow, but I know what Jesus said, and I know what lies ahead..... I know Who Holds tomorrow!
One day Hala there will be no more yesterday, today or tomorrow! JUST GOD'S GLORIOUS OUT OF THIS WORLD HEAVRNLY ETERNITY!! Hard to wrap my mind around that! GOD BLESS YOU HALA!
Please pray for my family. all living in the world Were all saved in Baptist church
My Dear Delores….I understand. I petitioned our Blessed Lord for His help for your family! We are so blessed to have Him to go to and cast ALL our cares on Him! What a Friend we have in Jesus ❣️❣️❣️
Praying right now Miss Delores.
FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE
Thank you Pastor Greg. I have always believed that God makes His people in lonely places of great trial. Your life before Christ attests to that truth. His fingerprints are all over you. I encountered you early in my born again life cutting my spiritual teeth as it were on the true Jesus that you preached.
Revelation 19 tells us
THERE IS ANOTHER WHITE HORSE RESERVED FOR THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS:
"I (John) saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice, He judges and wages war."
This verse refers to Jesus bringing judgment against evil in the world after He returns to Earth." Continuing in verses 12 through 16:
"His eyes are like blazing fire, and on His head are many crowns. He has a name written on Him that no one knows but He Himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following Him riding on white horses[...] On His robe and on His thigh He has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."
Unlike earthly fairytales, the WORD OF GOD TELLS US WE WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER!
I love that phrase: "King of Kings, Lord of Lords".
What a great article- loved it!!
Just saw on Fox News that Iran is trying to get a nuke deal. It says 49 of 50 GOP senators are against it. What exactly does that mean? If there’s no agreement with GOP, does that mean it doesn’t happen? If they don’t get the deal, does that mean the prediction of them trying to bomb Israel isn’t going to happen? It’s absolutely amazing to see things we talk about in this group happening
Thank you David as you are always here to answer questions asked by Tipping Point family!
The Lord keep you and yours under the shadow of the Almighty's wings!
I've been thinking about the rapture all day long... just soaking up this article and all the things we're learning here on TP and in the Word. Believers will escape ALL these things...we'll be raptured. God will never allow us to experience his wrath on earth for the 7years of tribulation. Thank you for the verses that comfort our hearts as we watch the world falling apart, knowing God's perfect plan is falling together. I keep thinking about what Jesus is going to find us doing when He returns? Today, I was reminded to get back to my first love. Keep looking up....A sweet friend just sent me this new album LION (Elevation) and there's a song called Bye Bye Babylon (perfect for us TP'ers) Pack your bags, we're going home ☁️🎺🔜 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhkJYehMRZE and.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2go_dOJVwc4
Yes, get back to our first love…. If ever there was a time for that, it is now. Going home soon. Our bags are packed. 🌻
Hi Kris .... "First love" .. as in whatever makes you happy .. or is it referring to God (sorry for my ignorance!)
First love 💛…. Speaking directly to us about the first time you fell in love with Jesus. Remember how we acted & behaved… madly in love and wanted Him constantly in our presence. We are living in the end days—what do you want Jesus to find you doing? Get back to our first love💛💛💛 Hope that makes sense.
Ahh, thank you, yes makes sense xx
Awesome read! Thank you. I do have a question re: Revelation 6 and the 1st horseman. He is given a crown and a bow. Translated crown means CORONA and BOW meaning POISONOUS DART. Not to overthink this or believe it to be something it isn’t perhaps. But we do know the Covid Vax is poison with the intent to not only alter our God Given YHWH DNA with the RNA LUCIFERAS, but is certainly capable of potentially life long debilitating side effects and/or death at the time of Vax or some years along. Could this be the 1st Horseman?
Good morning. Personally, I don’t think so. My understanding is that the four horseman are for the time of the tribulation. Which the church isn’t here for that. But I do think that covid is a forbear, the first (and probably least) of pestilences to come. The vax is definitely a forbear of the mark to come. We’ve seen the pressure exerted to assimilate with this, which will certainly be more extreme in the future. I’ve heard what you mentioned about the vax being talked about but haven’t had the time to confirm any of it myself or verify reliable sources with what is actually the case. If what you are saying is true, it would look like a kind of version of the stuff from Genesis 6 and the days of Noah. And I personally believe it has bad intentions, I just don’t know all the specifics. And I respect the difference in opinion for those who wish to get it. Just my personal opinion, trying to keep up, in a rough sea of things happening rapidly. The white horse is depicted as a conquest theme. Probably more of what we are seeing in Ukraine right now. You certainly brought up some interesting points to think about though, thanks for sharing.
Hi Tabitha, I agree with Justin’s thoughts on this, while respecting (and agreeing with) your assessment of the “jab.” It is definitely a forerunner of things to come during the tribulation, namely the mark of the beast.